Egotism ....a lifelong romance

Monday, December 19, 2005

On being judicially judicious

The Shawshank Redemption is the kind of movie you sit through in rapt attention the first time, that you continue to quote from years later and one that leaves you with a very disturbing after-taste, every time you watch it -- not because Andy Dufresne gets convicted of a murder he didn’t commit and goes to prison for life, not because he escapes with an ingenious plot, but because the former is so frighteningly possible in real life and the latter that much implausibly surreal.

Since I don’t believe in justice being served on judgment day or in the after-life, and I barely believe in an omnipotent entity called God who watches over us and balances it all out, I very desperately need the reassurance that man gets his due, both good and bad, in this life, on earth, under the watchful eye of a book of laws (and I don’t mean the gold-gilded black one with the fairy tale about the stable boy). I wish the rest of human kind would get real and concur that we only get one shot at serving justice and even if it is by thought-capable, tangible, fellow human beings it must hold a certain level of credibility.

A week ago, I watched the Jessica Sanders’ documentary, After Innocence and I must say, the movie not only offered a lot of food for thought, but also took away my long-held belief that I held unthreatened monopoly over criticism of the many flaws of the justice system. Last year, I followed the Scott Peterson trial with a certain degree of interest and watched a person get convicted of murder and given the death sentence without a shred of evidence. A stone-faced expression, an extra-marital affair and being in the wrong place at the wrong time do not a murderer make.

What is scarier than the ruthlessness of a man that did or did not kill his pregnant wife, is that human beings are so involved in waging an all-out war against “evil” that they don’t seem to stop and wonder if the evil they are fighting is rightly placed. It could be an innocent guilt-free civilian who hasn’t hurt a fly in his entire life (his only fault being that he doesn’t flex his facial muscles often enough), a husband that wants to carry on what remains of his life after tending to a comatose life-partner for a decade or a 12-year old boy on anti-depressants.

The law not only follows a fault-ridden system in its hurry to dole out penalties, it also brands a person with evil, satanic and heinous tendencies, on his way to the prison cell. I sometimes wonder if the prison sentence is much needed solace for a human being that has been stripped of all self-esteem, virtue and credibility by the mirthless eyes of the court, media and society, that shun him before even proving him guilty of his crimes or trying to understand what heart-rending circumstances lead him to them.

It’s funny that while books like A Time to Kill and movies like A Few Good Men, which look beyond the crude physical act of murdering a person and delve deep into the human psyche are given a lot of credence, we so easily disregard a person’s emotional and mental state of mind at the time of crime in real-life situations.

A few weeks ago, a man was released from prison after spending 25 years in jail for a crime he did not commit. It saddened me that I found it on a corner of the yahoo news home page and didn’t see it mentioned anywhere in the mainstream media. With American news channels as person-centric as they tend to be (Natalie Holloway, Michael Jackson, Ashley Smith & the Runaway bride, for crying out loud!), what IS evil is that a man spends a wasteful quarter century in prison, and it goes unnoticed.

After Innocence focuses on exactly these problems with the justice system – through the representation of the lives (or lack thereof) of several such unfortunate exonerees, it brings out the painfully careless way in which a court of law punishes those that merely have the misfortune of being caught under its radar – basing life sentences on mere eye-witness accounts of victims who are obviously disillusioned post-traumatization, refusing to do a DNA test when it could so easily be done and in one case even ignoring the results of a forensic exam and detaining a convict in prison years after the records clearly ruled out his involvement in the crime.

To my libertarian mind, which defies regulation even when carried out in pristine fashion, vigilante justice, although anarchic, seems a more logical and satisfying solution to the problem, as opposed to a regulated court of law that sadly makes inexcusable mistakes...

In an age of microchips and supercomputers, why are we still using flawed testimonies and circumstantial evidences to make cases? Why aren’t we using science where we can, to make our lives easier and fairer?

In an era of protesting anything Science (abortion, stem-cell research, GM foods) are we merely apprehensive about playing God or are we so terrified by the prospect of an Asimov-grade takeover of man by machines that we are willing to forego an obviously fool-proof solution to a problem and look the other way?

Science is the tool in man’s hands, and it is there for us to use. The micropipette on my bench seems to be in no hurry to turn around and slap me in the face. Let’s use it to add an objective dimension to our otherwise human-error prone society...

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

"This is a court of law, young man, not a court of justice." said American Judge, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. Such a shame!!!

Justice is a mere notion that has become completely warped these days. Gone are the halycon days when justice was the rationale behind laws. It is popular opinion that counts, as evidenced by the "jury" system.

We are mere animals at the top of the ecological pyramid , so why try to rise above that ?!

What I have to say is "the meek shall inherit the moon" !!!

Incidentally I am reminded of the Seinfeld finale , when all four are convicted as "very very bad people" for doing "nothing" !!! Would you call that justice ;)

Karthika said...

Yeah, sometimes I wish we were mere animals at the top of the food chain – cos then we can fight for our food and practice cannibalism and the world would be a fairer place than it is with rules and regulations and popular opinion, which are not exactly just. Maybe that was what the forces of nature intended. Maybe man was just meant to roam the jungles and eat berries off trees and hunt deer and fend for himself....

I think a could-be criminal lose on the streets is far more excusable than an innocent person spending a lifetime behind bars...Probably an international human law should be set for more objective solutions to these problems – esp ones that would ensure fairer trials. Comparitivism is a likely answer.

FSN 3.0 said...

Anon - in the Seinfeld finale, all the people that the fab four crossed (unwittingly, of course) over the course of the 9 seasons come to weigh in with their testimony at the trial. With THAT kind of overwhelming evidence, why wouldn't they ? ;-)) [Just imagine if you were the bubble boy, the woman with perfect b's (who btw was Teri Hatcher, better known now for Desperate Housewives) or even Baboo]

Katrix, well said. That is ejjactly what DC Aarumugasamy says in "Saamy".Sucks if you were that innocent person - what?

We saw what happens to an Andy Dufresne..at Shawshank.

Karthika said...

Lol. Trust FS to perk up his ears every time Seinfeld is mentioned in any corner of the world ;)

Actually, I think that episode was pure class. We go about life thinking we are spending relatively guilt free lives and not harming a soul – and yet there’s always that waitress you didn’t tip well enough or that criminally awful cake you fed somebody...
And while I’m at it, in defense of george (didn’t think I’d be defending him in my lifetime), the bubble boy was downright obnoxious!

i haven’t watched saamy but heard what it's about -- that kinda radicalism is exactly what india needs. people today get so caught up in the fine print they forget the big picture...that’s what happens in a world where every action, regardless of context and circumstance, is labeled “good” or “bad”. Along that line of reasoning, robinhood shouldn’t be a hero – why is the concept glorified in fiction and shunned in real life?

Anonymous said...

there are so many fallacies in your arguments here that i do not even know where to start! but start somewhere one has to;-)
1. shawshank redemption as some kinda all time great movie. good movie, feel good movie, nice entertainment (the beer party on the rooftop, IRS wheelin dealings) - well fine. but quotable and having some semblance to reality - not really. for that one would have to look to other scripts.
2. vigilantism is good - jury trial bad. will you guys please wake up. i dont want to be on the receiving end of a mob gone bad - cutting hands off, stoning to death, lynching and other execrable tortures. while the jury system is not perfect it frees the judge from making all important decisions and puts the onus of proving guilt beyond "reasonable" doubt on the prosecution.
3. libertarianism is all well and good so long as there is something called "humanity". libertarianism is like the United Nations. All words and no teeth. Which is why you would argue that "could-be criminals...streets" better than "innocent...bars". Of course thats one of the things I agree with. This should not be misinterpreted to mean that I find libertarianism to be a non-viable philosophy. Only that being a pacifist by nature myself, I am unable to see how libertarianism can quell the bushes of this world (read demagogues). Thats why pacifists need some sort of counter balancing force like the french (now the freedom fries are about to hit the fan).
4. Cannibalism - yeccch. do we have to be so extreme. The world may not be a fair place, but it is a lot fairer now than it used to be. Rules, regulations are there to protect and insulate those with some grain of intelligence, wit and humanity (namely me) from the close hand to hand combat with the mad maxes of this world that would result from anarchy.

well, on all other subjects this article hews closely to script. accepted that the innocent do get sentenced to long terms in prison (and what is more damning - blacks in the south during the period of turbulence when the civil rights beachhead was being established) and a system of justice that still does that is obviously not perfect. But to conclude that science is the answer?! I am not so sure. The system of justice as we know it now in the U.S is pretty reasonable. The civil cases have become top heavy with lawsuits being filed for practically any silly thing you can think of. However, criminal law in general tends to be in favor of the defence. You dont have one biased judge whose ruling affects a persons whole life. Improving such a system without bogging down the efficiency of the whole seems to be a case of refinement rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Lets add DNA testing etc.. while accounting a system of law that has one more tool to fake evidence and by corollary a system of criminality that has one more tool to fake evidence! No system of justice is going to work without a healthy dose of common sense and a capacity to reason on the part of those whose job it is to sit trial!

Karthika said...

Deepak, this warrants two parts...

First of all, I should be completely deranged (there is a consensus that I am partially ;)) to suggest that cannibalism be brought back. I was merely making a relative argument, namely, what is the point of having a regulated system when it is just as half-baked as anarchy; at least anarchy doesn’t make grandiose claims of being fair.

Now that I have made that clear let me go ahead and defend my statement, cos that’s what I do ;). Vigilante justice has no place in this world of rules and regulations and laws and bills. Nevertheless, IMO, in some cases, vigilante justice is instinctive and usually fair, within the bounds of human sanity. Why do you think self-defense is permitted as lawful? Because you have to be able to defend yourself from unreasonable and unwarranted attacks on yourself, without worrying about being penalized, right? My question: why is that not extrapolated to include emotional turmoil? In other words, why is it alright to kill someone bcos you thought he was going to kill you but not alright to kill someone bcos he raped and killed your 5 year old daughter? The devastation that comes with losing a daughter to rape is probably just as, if not more, heart-wrenching than the possibility that you are going to get killed. In either case, it is an instinctive reaction to a situation. And in the case of reasonable human beings (granted, I exclude mobs and the mafia and serial killers in this blanket phrase) instinct does not allow killing someone, reason why normal human beings need rigorous psychological training and therapy pre and post-killing (think soldiers and mercy-killing). I am not asking our system to wipe out the court of law and bring back anarchy, but I do think that while revenge is satisfying (and justified) for the person that is wronged, it is criminal when carried out by someone that hasn’t borne the consequences of the action in question.

Also, my strong views on this subject are not instigated by libertarian tendencies – except that I don’t think the government has a right to kill an existing person – just like it doesn’t have a right to prohibit abortion or euthanasia.

Karthika said...

Secondly, as for criminal law being favorable to the defense, let me give you some numbers – there have been 340 exonerations in the past 10-12 years in the US alone, post- trials where people have been wrongly convicted. 340!!!! I don’t know what that is, but that is NOT in favor of the defense. And sadly, these numbers are from a country where the justice system like you say, is arguably the most reasonable and efficient. my post had evidences only from the US cos this is the only place I can even site evidences from, thanks to extensive media coverage; I was in no way singularly implying the inefficiency of justice in this country.

As for Science, as far as I can tell, it is the ONLY objective proof of ANYthing you can have in a trial. Videos can be tampered with, voices can be reproduced, pictures can be morphed. You can digest DNA from any cell of a human being’s body and you are going to get the EXACT same pattern --- EVERY time, whether you are a fetus, a living human being or a dead person. And NO two human beings (except identical twins) can have the same pattern. How much more accurate can you get? In a court that admits false alibis, wrongful testimonies, flawed judgments and blurred eyesight, would it not be nice to have an objective reproducible system that is steadfast and accurate in its statements? It only makes sense that DNA evidence should not just be added to increase credibility, it should also be made mandatory for cases where samples are available.

Finally, The Shawshank Redemption, IMO is one of the greatest movies of all time. The beer party on the roof top you talk about represents much more than a gala time for a buncha prisoners; it represents how even the bleakest situation can be turned into one that can actually be endurable, and even hopeful to a large extent. Is it unrealistic? Absolutely. But if I am watching a movie where an innocent person goes to prison for life and stays there languishing and helpless, I wouldn’t be goin to a theater for it. The representation of Andy’s character on the other hand is very real, not to mention endearing – he doesn’t turn into one of the prisoners to be one with them; he does exactly what a person in his situation would do – win their hearts by doing what he does best – be the cultured, educated banker he is, take charge of the library and educate a young man. After the movie you come out with the feeling that any situation, no matter how hopeless, can be turned around.

Anonymous said...

Dee ,let's face it -the jury is most times biased or worse sometimes bought. The same may be true of the Indian legal system too, money can exert its hold on most people, just like the media can.

fsn : as for seinfeld, it was moral justice vs legal justice where the evidence was plainly "overwhelming" but not incriminating.

katrix, the majority of the animals do not eat each other to feed themselves, so I wonder why that would be a choice of lifestyle, to make the world a fairer place ?!
Think again, with a criminal lose on the streets, you very well might be the next victim. I dont agree with that concept at all. I am an idealist who dreams of a society along the same lines as Tagore - 'Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit'

Karthika said...

a-gal,
since you made the counter argument yourself, i'll be mild -- you ARE an idealist. if no innocent person ever went to jail and if all the guilty ones were cleared from the streets, i'd be all for it. unfortunately it's not tagore's poetry we are dealing with -- it's the real world.

and i am not proposing cannibalism either (while i am at it, nature recurringly shows evidences of cannibalism -- not as a 'choice' but as a last resort). One of the most innate tendencies of a human being is to survive, and in that instance it overrides the other very innate tendency -- of letting another do the same :)

Anonymous said...

I agree with you on the reliability of DNA fingerprinting. But,with all the advances in science, people have more faith in technology than in basic biology. Sadly, we live in times which allows for stomach stapling but not stem cell research.

Straying from the topic at hand, Katrix, did you know that prehistoric cannibalism triggered human evolution ?!

Anonymous said...

self-defence has a very limited scope. one can act in self-defence only when there is invasion of ones property. you cant be on the metro and shoot someone claiming that you thought he was gonna kill you. "rape" likewise has a loose connotation. thats why you cant just kill someone for "raping" your daughter. it has to be proved that the "rape" occurred. while it is legitimate to have anger it is not legitimate to take someones life whether it is in self-defence or "rape". in other words, it is inexcusable to take someones life under any circumstances, whether it is perceived emotional distress, self-defence, capital punishment, anything!!!! this is not idealism. it is pragmatism. when someone knows that killing is absolutely inexcusable then a mugging becomes just that - a mugging, rather than unnecessary loss of life. the mugging itself has not been justified, it has its own consequences.
"340" exonerations. please put it in context. as a percentage of what? how is this worse than 7 million jews killed, 30 million chinese killed, god alone knows how many russians, french, serbs etc.. again in my view, 340 is 340 too much. each and every life is precious. so i cannot stomach "340" exonerations. what i cannot even more stomach is 340 crimes. but thats just me. i would want to try and understand what leads to such a huge amount of crime???
of course DNA evidence can be tampered with. just as fingerprints can. i am not saying DNA evidence is faulty.
shawshank redemption is a feel good movie. it did not lead me to feel there is hope. why the heck should i spend 20 years in jail for a crime i did not commit. ridiculous!!!! and then i have to somehow feel good and come out of there rejoicing!!!! WTF??? for more realistic feelings check out life is beautiful or to live.
and miru. certainly, the jury can be bought, lawyers can free criminals merely because of their persuasive talents etc...but ultimately the benefit of doubt rests with the defence. it has to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt that the person committed the crime. without this assurance what hope is their for criminal justice??
why is there cannibalism among animals. because any living organism is a protein. animals do not differentiate among kinds of protein!!! i am not sure what this has to do with cannibalism. why dont we eat our pet hamster or pet dog?? what does feelings have to do with nutrition?? how does one postulate a unifying theory for killing a living organism for nutrition along with a species that can claim bach and thyagaraja as its members??? circumstances can lead to anything being used for nutrition. but in the lack of circumstances that forces one to do so, and there is a choice, then i would automatically choose to consume that which has the least impact! are animals better in the sense that they do not complicate life with these choices??? that doesnt make sense...as humans we experience varying emotions like love, rapture when listening to music or reading a good book etc...so the complications in life is the price we pay for being enthralled by such emotions.
leading on from there, a good use of science would be to imprint every child with the memory of the second world war, genocide, memory of a euphemistic "cleansing shower" concentration camp style. once the shoe is on the other foot lets see how many people beat their chests caliming "supremacy".
and miru, you chose a very good quote from a few good men. it is a court of law not of justice. to expect justice to be served in a court of law is expecting too much. the law is designed for people too entrenched in their own behaviour to apply common rules of wisdom and humanity. how often have i talked to someone so firmly convinced of their point of view that they firmly believe that they are right. the law is deisgned to codify accepted rules of interaction within the societal framework we live in. In that sense it also changes to meet how society evolves to view certain behaviours is it not? "few good men" is a terrific movie. the characters are excellently fleshed out and there are quite a few subtle points, not the least of which are demi moore (flesh, points and demi - does it get any better than that;-)). the marines are a unique institution and the movie very nicely brought out what honor and code means in the military. you cant change code to suit your pleasure as the slick lawyer cruise found out. a code is a code and without it a fighting unit might as well be a bunch a consensus chaps who each ask one another "shall i kill this guy or what?" in the heat of battle. how can you rely on your fellow man(woman) without an implicit code, inclusive that orders from a superior officer are absolute?? we may not like the arrogance of nicholson, but it is precisely that arrogance that makes him a commanding officer of the marines. demi is a woman who needs justice (thats woman power for you) and suitably persuades/assuages cruise at the right moments to ensure her ends are met. cruise as the slick lawyer who suddenly comes face to face with a reality where practical give and take just doesnt work!! what more can you want from a movie. this movie also exemplifies why i have little sympathy for anti-war demonstrators after the fact (inclusive of clinton in his rhodes days). which is also why i like McCain. Once the country has decided to go to war then it should be a united front. examination of the whys and wherefores are irrelevant. I really like how democrats and republicans come together in support of the decision no matter who is in power. Especially if somebody is laying their life on the line, it behooves me not to question them because of the faulty reasoning that went behind it from the politicians who were elected by the people!!! so whose fault is it that we chose to vote bush in???

Karthika said...

Anon - bang on target. Are you a biologist by any chance? yeah, the problem is very few people understand just how fool-proof Nature's system is. NO supercomputer or automated robot could get close, EVER...

i've read about how cannibalism influenced evolution, but not about how it triggered it.. just did a quick google though and seems like cyberspace has many answers :) fascinating! I'd love to hear about it though, if you feel like airing your knowledge on the subject :)

Karthika said...

Deepak,
I'll get to cannibalism and self-defense and a Few Good men, but I have a paramount question: who in the world ARE you?

you're not "Dee" Deepak, are you? You sure dont sound like him. Pleeeeez lemme know, my head's close to exploding...

**$##$#$%##%*

Anonymous said...

hmmmm...sure is, k.

Karthika said...

god forbid!!!!!

on second thoughts, thank gawd!

that makes the defense a whole lot easier :)

Karthika said...

Ok, dee, here’re the things I agree on:

McCain – absolutely flawless politician – sticks to his guns about the things he believes in (NO torture/campaign finance reform), doesn’t deride the current administration’s policies (despite bush’s absolutely dirty politics against him in the primaries in ’00 – tho McCain was pro-war from the get-go), and doesn’t point fingers at the other party (his above-board relations with kerry and other dems). That said, once we are at war, obviously, regardless of whether one opposed it or not to begin with, now that bush is president (elected by a majority) one has to come up with a logical solution w/o playing politics. And McCain is absolutely the most reasonable in that regard –he seems to be sincerely concerned about how best to do it, instead of making a case for his run in ’08, like everyone else seems to be doin. Talkin of which, I wish he wins, cos I have learnt enough to know this country will never elect a non-religious, liberal democrat (which rules out even social liberals like guliani). So if we have to have a gipper might as well have the best there is...

A few good men – one of the greatest movies ever made, exceptional characters, great story-line, superb representation of the navy vs day-to-day life – but by the same token, while the concept of the movie in the context of the navy is all good it cannot be applied to real life. It is a progressive world we live in and we cannot have black and white rules that are unchangeable. We have to have ways to cut corners and apply pragmatism and judgment at any given time, rather than a rigid book of laws --- keeping the end-result in sight, and not the route alone. What I absolutely love about the movie (cruise and Nicholson and bacon apart :)) is that the reason for the killing is delved into –it was not merely treated as a physical act where the guy was killed by those two men. What do you do when you are given a code red by your superior officer? You do it, no questions asked. What happened the last time you defied it? You got a below average rating...and yes, while jack Nicholson’s character is the prototype of any high-ranking marine, cruise’s is the relevant practicality of any regular human being.

Like I said, I ditto your take on the SSR – how could anyone justify spending 20 years in jail, even if he did escape in the end. But I’m merely makin a point about what the movie represents. He could have probably escaped in 2 days but then it wouldn’t have been quite as exciting – and even less real. Which brings me to my next question: if it is not acceptable in a movie, how can it be accepted in real life?

Karthika said...

What I don’t agree with:

DNA canNOT be tampered with. DNA is as hardy as any molecule in the world can get, so while you could tamper with the gel-picture or the sample in the tube, the original DNA itself will remain unscathed. You can go back to the hair or the semen or the tooth cavity and get it – again and again and again. Closest anything comes to fool-proof. In fact, I am, right this moment watching mark garagos on Larry King (an unlikely surfing stop ;)) saying that the single recurring fact in ALL the exoneration cases so far seen was the lack of forensic evidence. IMO the only way to reform the system is to make forensic evidence mandatory. There can be no half measures here— the consequences are huge.

The reason I gave 340 as a mere number, without ratio or context (other than cos I was lazy ;) is cos it doesn’t need it)! 340 speaks volumes! It says that 340 people have been convicted of crimes they did not commit – and that is just the fraction that has been exonerated of the hundreds that are still in there, for no fault of their own. As far as I am concerned, 340 could be amid 1000s or 100s– 340 is bad enough. And you know when a crime is MOST criminal? when it is conducted by a regulated system called the government. If some deranged maniac on the street kills 10 people or a pedophile rapes a young girl, I can accept it as part of the flaws of society, but when the governing authority (that represents justice, fairness, equality, protection and security) kills you because it assumes you committed a crime without any evidence, THAT is when the world is really screwed up. Cos I will be wary of the guy that is following me at 11pm, I’ll be careful if I am alone in a bad neighborhood, but if I see a cop car, I am supposed to feel secure, not threatened (unless I’m goin over 90 on the highway, of course and that’s my bad ;)).

Lastly, sure, anarchy is not pragmatic! It is idealistic. But it didn’t claim to be pragmatic – it is instinctive, it is natural, it is unfeigned. The constitution is pragmatic, not idealistic – it purports to be perfect -- and using a loophole-ridden system is NOT the way to do it...

Anonymous said...

k,
although i see some convergence there are still some minor items;-)
McCain as president would not be a good fit with me (yes i am only one vote). I prefer a more liberal minded person (yes - clinton) to a conservative. Unfortunately war veterans, while extremely good commanders and leaders once the path is clear, tend to commit themselves to a direction and it is in their nature not to checkpoint themsleves and shift direction when its clear that where they are heading is disaster. That could be his weakpoint as well. But first let him make it past the primaries...
"We have to have...route alone." - well agreed - in civilian life. However, I still disagree. The military is a different ballgame. Typical civilian rules do not apply there. An excellent treatment of military strategy(and for those interested in strategy in general as well) is sun tzu's art of war. saving private ryan clearly brought out the penalty of showing mercy on the battlefield. I personally have everything against war and abhor it, but i am only trying to point out that it has its own rules.

Anonymous said...

k,
i had to break it up into two sections (agree and disagree as well) because i simply couldnt stomach "matrimonial dotcommers" getting more comments than this one;-)...
"Lastly, sure, anarchy...is unfeigned." - absolutely, when used in its truest sense. If we truly can do away with rules and authority, voluntary cooperation among individuals, then I ask, "where is that utopia, cuz, i wanna join it". anarchy turned on itself ten times over is just a waste of resources. After reading dr. zhivago a few times, i began to understand the main characters frustration with each new wave of anarchy. And in China, all I see is replacement of one intolerable order with another (IMHO - even worse) in power. As i said before, if we can truly make communes work, i say bring it on. The only one that I have some relative knowledge of that works is Aurobindo Ashram. Why should i fall in step with some rabble raising anarchists who only wish to overturn the existing order to institute one of their own. I prefer a general peaceful disorder and chaos where someone is free to watch rajnikanth and his antics and i am free to read my highbrow stuff (and not be branded an intellectual), than to be woken up at 12:00pm at night in the name of "intellectual" and executed by morning and this is the meaning most people associate with "anarchy".

Karthika said...

First off, I have offense with two things-

Your dig at the post on matrimonial-dot-commers *glare* Much as I feel very strongly about the justice system’s many flaws, it is that which is from the heart cos it concerns my life personally!

Secondly – did you actually think I wouldn’t have a repartee? ;) 19 comments woulda been a given :D

Absolutely ditto you on both communism and anarchy. And I AM talking about the unfeigned anarchy, the one that existed in prehistoric times; I’m not saying bring back anarchy – going back from organized government to lawlessness would only result in organized anarchy, a pointless endeavor and a cool oxy-moron :D. As for communism, just like you say – utopian in theory, totally unworkable in practice. If it did work the way it should, nothing better than a world where everyone starts with the same little money bag and makes of it whatever talent and intelligence and perseverance would allow :)

McCain – yep, I didn’t really think of it that way, but come to think of it, war veterans do seem to have a more single-minded approach to administration, though I think a democratic veteran (kerry, kerry, kerry!) would have the best of both worlds. Plus, war veterans seem to instigate a kinda awe (Murtha/McCain/wes clark) for good reason.

Anonymous said...

perhaps it is because, as a guy, i am unable to express "feelings" that i take a dig at the previous blog - which is where i need to take a clue from the feminine side and not blot out those "feelings". apologies rendered:) the older one gets the easier it is to acknowledge without ego, at least for guys!!

Anonymous said...

and it is with the implicit guarantee that you would counter that i split it up. it was not enough just to equal - one had to beat the number of comments;-)

Karthika said...

lol, then i'll help the process further, to make it a no contest battle :)

yeah, i have observed that phenomenon in one man too many -- men tend to get more emotional as the years go by -- though, I have a feeling it comes more from a sense of maturity and security -- kinda like a little voice inside that says "it's alright to admit you are human."

of course, I wouldn't know firsthand the ways of martians...but i've had my fair share of experience in the area, cos I have tried my stint at feigning an icy exterior myself, before i chucked it and realized jus how exhilarating it was to let go & reveal one's feelings :)

Anonymous said...

Have u guys watched SYRIANA ? If you have, then this comment section would go on and on.
I wudnt be surprised if K comes up with an entry on it. IMHO, it is the best movie of this year !!!
I dont want to write my review here, the movie speaks for itself. but I have to say Clooney ( ..sigh) rox!
Dee, why shudnt the "matrimony" blog get more comments (or wat goes for it here)? I would think every one has a more vested interest in marriage than in politics.
again, the two blogs are as diff as they can get: politics vs marriage, head vs heart, thoughts vs feelings. (good job on both, K :) )

"are u a biologist by any chance"?? it was more like a choice :)
come pal, u dont know ur best pal from anon ??? D-UH

Karthika said...

sigh! thought 'twas ya...what can i say...i am jus trying to make my life more mysterious and exciting than it is :(

why else would i think dee wasn't dee (no offense, dee :D)

and whose fault is it that you sign off as anonymous. moreover that person seemed too nice to be you ;)

syrianna -- funnily enough, we went and watched "after innocence" cos syrianna was sold out. one of the many disadvantages of the "big city" life... will do so soon, hopefully...

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